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Longshore union interviews Mumia Abu-Jamal

'The struggle for justice goes on'

The following is excerpted from a written interview with political prisoner Mumia Abu-Jamal by Jack Heyman, member of the International Longshore Workers Union Local 10. The interview appeared in the February 1999 issue of The Dispatcher--the ILWU newspaper. The ILWU, through resolutions from its organizational divisions and letters from its International presidents, has been supporting the case of Mumia Abu-Jamal for 10 years. Mumia, in turn, from death row, was one of the prominent endorsers of ILWU's victorious Neptune Jade case.

The Dispatcher: West Coast maritime employers attempted by the use of cops and courts to intimidate labor activist picketers and the ILWU from demonstrating international labor solidarity in the Neptune Jade case. In the end we won by organizing a broad united front of individuals concerned with the erosion of democratic rights and the labor movement, mobilizing maritime and other workers for action here and around the world. Do you think similar tactics could be applied in your defense?

MUMIA: I think a "broad united front" may prove effective in labor actions and in human rights movements on broader social issues. Can it be applied in my case? Yes. For the efforts of the state are designed to isolate us, to construct barriers between us. All that we can do to demolish those walls is to the good.

During the recent ABC-TV lock-out of NABET/CWA workers, you refused to be interviewed by strikebreakers on the news program "20/20" despite the fact that publicity may have helped your case. Why?

I had to ask myself, "Would I cross a picket line if I were living in quasi-freedom, and walking to the studio?" The answer was an irrevocable, "no."

You joined the Black Panther Party in the 1960s at the age of 15 and held the position of Minister of Information. Some 10 years later you were an activist in and elected president of the Association of Black Journalists in Philadelphia. As a working journalist you exposed racism and police brutality. Do you think the police targeted you because of your work as a journalist?

I think there is no question that I was known and hated [by the police] for my work as much as for my history. Moreover, the District Attorney fought frantically--and the clever judge denied him every time, saying it threatened a reversal--to introduce, at every phase of the trial, my BPP background to the predominantly white jury.

Judge Sabo who presided over your trial was known as the "King of Death Row" for having handed down more death sentences than any other judge in this country. Since he has been forced into retirement has this increased your chance for a fair trial?

Unfortunately, no. The state system allowed him to do his damage, and then retired him. As a life member of the FOP [Fraternal Order of Police], he was well placed to do their bidding. The courts have found that my membership in the BPP justified my death, but when Sabo was challenged by defense counsel about his membership in the FOP, his defense was that he was only a member "for a few years."

In 1995 the scandal of the Philadelphia police department was front-page news across the U.S.--framing up of innocent people, corruption, police brutality. Three hundred convictions were thrown out and many innocent victims set free. This was followed by an exposé of routine jury rigging by the Philadelphia District Attorney's office to exclude Blacks. Can you tell us a few of the more egregious violations during your arrest, imprisonment and trial?

The police department has said, and the DA's office has seconded, that neither I nor my brother were beaten. That flies in the face of logic. They then constructed, out of whole cloth, a false "confession," claiming that they forgot it for a few months. They rejected almost every potential Black juror that came in the door. They assembled a jury composed of friends and family of cops, tried before a member of the FOP in black robes, and arranged an appeal before an appeals court where one "justice"--the same one who served as DA on my direct appeal--admitted at least five other judges had accepted FOP "support" in their election campaigns.

When a benefit was held for your defense in July 1995, at the Philadelphia Hospital and Health Care Workers Union Local 1199C, 300 armed cops besieged the union hall screaming for your execution. Do you think that police brutality, particularly against Blacks, is part of a larger system of repression?

Police are agents of the ruling class, and, as such, soldiers who serve their interests. They exist, not to protect the people, but to protect capital. What role do they perform when workers strike? What role do they perform when the people demonstrate against any social injustice? Their job is to wage war against the people, and to instill terror against anyone--anyone--who resists against the system.

Where does your struggle go from here?

The struggle goes on as it must for freedom, for liberation, for a peoples' justice that only they can give. Ona Move! Long Live John Africa!

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